Good podcast. Every time I think I'm ready to stop listening to your podcasts one of you says something that challenges me to think. I really like that. When darin said he spent several years listening for the ways his church taught bad things about god and then teach how wrong they were, I can relate to that. I'm not a teacher or pastor at a church but I notice when people say those kind of things about god. When you said god showed you the good things they say about him aren't true either, wow, that challenged me in a good way. Thanks for saying it and dare I say thanks god for using this podcast to begin to show that to me too. Or is that too religious? LOL.
I totally loved this one!!! Thank you! I could say so much but I think I am just going to thank you! :)
Man you guys...this was such a great conversation. This topic has been probably been the one of the constant struggles I've had these past several years since I left the church. Thank you so much for this! It was EXACTLY what I needed right now.
THANK YOU!!! Like Daniel V, this has been one of my main wrestlings since I left the church. Was talking to God this morning about this stuff. Always feeling that there must be something wrong with me, not hearing from Him so much. Waiting for this glorious,magikal, unrealistic relationship to kick in with God, which hasn't eventuated. If anything I used to hear God way more in the IC, dream dreams, all the charismatic, pentecostal stuff.Since leaving organised religion behind, it's been anti-climax, but that's what we need to hear. Our flesh craves all the "spiritual"chills & thrills, the Moses on the mountain stuff, which we love to impress & outdo each other with. That's not spiritual maturity.Actually God does speak to me, lol, & it's usually through one of your podcasts:)
This is a really great conversation. I lived with condemnation and depression for 15 years while in the church thinking I somehow didn't measure up to attain the same measure of intimacy as those in "professional ministry". Looking back I realize that I had to be nudged out in order to realize how very toxic my thinking was.
This one was VERY timely for me too- thanks guys!
Letting go of great expectations to finally get a great expectation of God's personal dealings, experiences and relationship with God that is unique between God and me. Wow I feel free to appreciate what He is doing in and through me. I also enjoyed what you said about Moses would love to have what we have.
Thank you guys, this was good. I started out leaving IC and first found Wayne J's ministry. While I appreciate his work, I felt that in its own way, at the time the ideals he espoused continued to make me feel insecure and wonder "why isn't this great relationship with 'Father' happening for me?" I really appreciate your statement that some of us are just not ready for relationship with God. I see this has been a large part of my problem.
I also appreciate your reminder of how Jesus told people not to go tell anyone after they were healed. From day 1 many years ago at IC, I've always thought "testimony time" is destructive and breeds insecurity in people. I like what you said about how so much of what is between the individual and God is private and meant to stay that way. I strongly agree.
I am having a terrible week and your conversation was such a great thing to hear. Thank you!!
Thanks, guys. this helps!
I keep feeling like I'm floating around with nothing solid - not wanting to manufacture something, just so I feel more secure (the temptation of religion), but tired of feeling unsettled.
It helps to remember that I don't know what it's supposed to look like or feel like, and neither does anyone else.
and yes! I continue to unlearn my tendency to run out and spout off about my latest spiritual revelations . . . putting my personal experiences or beliefs onto others. . . .
focus inward. on my own journey. trust others to theirs.