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Sep 10, 2017

Rest Easy And Believe

Darin and Hans continue discussions on The US Factor. They outline the difference between the embellished version of super spirituality we have been raised trying to achieve and the simplicity of oneness with God that has already been achieved for us. If you have to TRY, you’re dong something wrong. 

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    David Joseph Brncik

    It is true that the highest request of God is to love him. It is very important that in order to be able to do that you have a revelation of his goodness and the awesome attributes of his character which are mercy, grace, compassion, kindness, goodness, but what I am really trying to say is that without a proper revelation of his heart it may be difficult to love him. There are so many treasures in the Bible that describe the coolest attributes of God's character and how good he truly is. That's why this ministry is so important. Without a proper revelation of our loving heavenly fathers heart it is nearly impossible to know him. His love is so great and he desires to be known. Secondly we are good in Christ. We are the children of God but I am just saying that Heaven himself and the spirit of love and joy which is paradise dwells withing our very self. We are one with him. His very heart itself

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    David Joseph Brncik

    It is true that the highest request of God is to love him. It is very important that in order to be able to do that you have a revelation of his goodness and the awesome attributes of his character which are mercy, grace, compassion, kindness, goodness, but what I am really trying to say is that without a proper revelation of his heart it may be difficult to love him. There are so many treasures in the Bible that describe the coolest attributes of God's character and how good he truly is. That's why this ministry is so important. Without a proper revelation of our loving heavenly fathers heart it is nearly impossible to know him. His love is so great and he desires to be known. Secondly we are good in Christ. We are the children of God but I am just saying that Heaven himself and the spirit of love and joy which is paradise dwells withing our very self. We are one with him. His very heart itself

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    Jenny

    How do you reconcile the goodness and love of God with old testament God who approved of or carried out genocide, slavery, anger, retribution, jealousy, etc. He seems like he had to have a personality makeover, even since the Ananias and Saphira incident in the new testament,to be the God you describe now. Not meaning to be contentious; this really bothers me. "It is different since Jesus came" will not do because all those people murdered, enslaved etc were people too. He either loves all including them, or none. Can't have him loving now but not then. Unless of course we just toss out the Bible, or parts of it. (Tempting!) or just treat it as what the writers of the time thought, whether right or wrong, and not God's inspired infallible word. (More tempting!)

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    s phillips

    This is my understanding Jenny.God has never changed.He has always been LOVE.God never carried out the genocide, slavery etc. man did. In the O.T. their understanding of God was in the physical,so they wrote what they saw. Horror equals Gods judgment, good equals God's favor. It is no different today.Look at how many ministers are saying the hurricanes are God's judgments.If my house is saved I have God's favor if my neighbors house was destroyed it is God's judgment.The horrors of things that happened in the bible continue to this day. Listen to the world news, is it any different today? This side of the cross Jesus came to reveal that God has never been what man attributed Him to be in the O.T. The N.T. gives us an understanding of who God really is and always has been.You could write the book of Irma about how God destroyed Florida and how He carried out His wrath on the people. How you see God and write about Him does that make it so? Jesus came to show us the truth about God.

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    Mitchell

    @Jenny The glory of God literally covered Adam; they decided to yield to their own efforts in order to discover their identity, the knowledge of good and evil forced the glory veil up, then they SAW that they were naked. The O.T. is man's view of God, though God inspired, God isn't relying on it alone to reveal his true nature to man, but his Spirit; and that self same Spirit is teaching all of mankind God's eternal goodness. David was after God's heart, not to earn or work it for God, and yet he ate show-bread that no one but the priests could eat, and lived; David placed his believe intimately with God, not good and evil. Ananias and Saphira fell at a guy's feet who was prone to using a sword; it seems he judged and executed on the spot (for God in his opinion), same as Paul killed Jews for God until he saw the light. You will gain perspective as you and He grow more intimate, this won't happen over night. Place all of those questions upon his shelf; lean into His love and rest.

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    brettact2

    Hi Jenny. If you go to the blog tab, Darin has an excellent blog that addresses this: Marrying Yourself to God is Love

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    Jenny

    Thanks folks for your encouragement. Lots of food for thought. Just one more question. Why didn't God reveal his love in Jesus long before? All those people lived and died in fear and ignorance. Actually I don't like King David. He was a murderer and adulterer and a little newborn baby took the death penalty (a protracted illness and death) for him. Once the child died it was "business as usual". He went on to kill "tens of thousands" and was a man "after God's own heart"?

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    brettact2

    Hi Jenny. The NT refers to Christ's 1st coming occurring at the 'fullness of times'. I see this as stating that there was a development process going on in Israel, and the surrounding nations; that allowed Jesus' life and ministry to have maximum impact and dispersion throughout the rest of humanity & history. This is the same way I see why His 2nd coming hasn't occurred yet. Jesus said it would be after the 'fullness of the Gentiles'. I see the nations as having to exhaust all possible combinations of solutions to the human dilemma, preparing the way for Messiah's rulership and kingdom. In this light, the USA is the last in the series of humanity's self-salvation programs, and needs to prove its ineffectiveness before the 2nd coming. That explains why it is not mentioned in the book of revelation. And possibly Jesus' comparison of this to labor pains indicates that the body of Christ won't be 'born' until the baby is ready to exist outside of the womb.

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    brettact2

    Jenny, your review of David caused me to check for the comment that he was a man after God's own heart, doing His will. Interestingly it comes from Acts 13, by splicing a few different OT comments from Samuel together. This was God's desire, and David fit that, when he was called. Did David stay that way, and only that way? No. Did the areas in David's life that were done after God's will represent enough of what God desired from people, to be a qualified testimony? Yes. Did David rebel against God in some way, like Saul? No. The rest, though evil by modern post-Christ standards, were common practices in his day. When Israel demanded of Samuel that he anoint a king to make them like the rest of the nations, they were warned that they were buying the whole package, and missing out on God's better way. God had to operate in that compromised context, and David was the best He could do in that.

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    Jeff

    One analogy may be the perspective of a child whose father is on a police swat team. His father is always loving towards him. Then he sees his father on the news shooting someone in a holding hostages. He may wonder about a supposed conflict and questioning the loving nature of his father.

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    Jenny

    Just a bit different Jeff. The policeman does not shoot the babies and rape the women or take them as sex slaves. He doesn't get one of his loyal officers killed in order to take his wife with whom he was already committing adultery. Evil is evil before or after Christ. Common practice does not make it ok. God doesn't change the definition of evil to suit common practice. Or does he? If so there is a lot in common practice today that he must be ok with as long as the person is useful for something else? Eg a Christian who molests children? A preacher who abuses his wife and/or kids? I won't go on. I guess i am just weird. I still can't get it.

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    Jeff

    One suggestion is it's not helpful to interchange God and a man or men.

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    Jenny

    Could you please explain that more Jeff. God told men do those things and commended men who did those things. So it is not INTERCHANGING God for men but rather seeing God entwined with what they did as the instructor or at the least the one who allowed such things

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    Jeff

    Without question much of what God told the young nation Israel to do is hard to grapple with. More like impossible. If a person thinks they have God neatly figured out that alone proves they don't. God did not command or commend David for the sins he committed. We also have a very different perspective than God. We tend to think in terms as if life on this earth is all there is as opposed to in terms of eternity. I have to think about one thing. Maybe you know. Did God command any individual to sin? Setting aside the question of how we might perceive the actions of Israel in conquering the promised land.

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    Jeff

    And Jenny, please know I don't think well of you asking hard questions of God. I certainly don't have a settled answer for a lot. One observation or question is many say God is good and knowing and powerful. Yet this very day there is such evil at work, successfully it seems. My wife was hit head on by a drunk driver over a month ago. Just got home a few days ago and has months of therapy ahead. I can't definitively say why that happened. We are just trying to make the most of our time now. Trying to be an encouragement to various caregivers ourselves and to our friends and family. We haven't felt compelled to question God's goodness.

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    Jeff

    That first line was supposed to be " I don't think I'll of you questioning"!!

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    Jeff

    "ill" All of this was spell check's fault.

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