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Dec 24, 2018

Sparkling eyes of Wonder

Darin and Hans discuss why so many Christians are depressed. The topic of “a personal relationship” with Jesus is brought up, and what God is really looking for. This is a great topic that could change everything for a great many people. Pass this one on!

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    Jac

    God brings good out of everything? Tell that to the toddler who was abused over a long time eventuallycausing among many other injuries a ruptured bowel and took a week to die without medical attention. I left the catholic church. I think you have that a bit (a lot) idealised. I grew up terrified of God and hell (they didn't teach any sort of assurance of salvation.)

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    Jac

    I can't find a verse about having Jesus in your heart. Lots about the human heart but not God actually in there!

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    Jac

    Prayer is treated as a way of moving a reluctant God into action (hence the repetition and getting lots of people to pray.) If God's "plan" happens anyway we only need one prayer - ok "God". And that prayer is pretty hard to equate with all the terrible suffering in the world (way beyond the example of a stolen car). Maybe we are not meant to pray but to do. I don't know any more. The whole God thing is making less and less sense to me. More depressed Christians? Maybe the promises of evangelical Christianity ATTRACT more people who are depressed in the first place.

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    Jac

    What about the father/child relationship depicted in scripture? I don't think that works any better than the "personal relationship" really. Can lead to just as many disappointments. Sorry about all the comments. I realise you don't have time to get involved with comments. Just thinking as I go.

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    Brad Nelson

    My relationship is good. He likes me.

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    Holly

    Hello, I think people walk a path based on the experiences in their life. I think you guys have spoken about this even. For me everything does NOT happen for a reason. God is not sitting at a desk rubber stamping all sorts of horrible things that he "allows" to happen to us. Just like some might think people get sick so God can teach them something. I think you may have said that as well. Or, you meet that person that shreds your heart for a reason.. AMD God will keep putting that kind of person in front of you till you learn to deal with them. What kind of sick mean demented God would do that? I studied Andrew Wommack teachings for a while and he shows the twisted thinking that is -- to believe God puts you in bad situations for a reason. I think mental illness in Christians is rampant due to the nature of the God they are shown and have to bow down to. A God who supposedly loves you but is totally abusive and narcissistic and separate from you unless you are holy enough.

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    Jac

    I totally understand Holly. I often quote the story of a toddler who was abused by his carer and died after suffering from a ruptured bowel and took a week to die. The glib "God had a reason" does not satisfy. He could strike down a Israelite for touching the ark of the covenant to steady it so it wouldn't end up in the dirt and Annanias and Sapphira for lying about their giving. But he couldn't rescue a little child from his killer. That is just one example. The standard "his ways are higher that our ways" doesn't work either.

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    s phillips

    This might be another pat answer but one that helps me with what we question. Many say when they get to heaven they are going to ask God why. Why did you let things happens as they did. But when we get to heaven instead of asking why we will be saying, "of course". Only then will we be able to understand the greater picture. God hates to see His children abused as much or more then you do. He is not responsible for what man chooses to do to an innocent child so when it happens He can only make the best out of a bad situation. That is where we get all the pat answers from as we try to make sense of it all. Like God had a reason or His ways are higher then our ways. It rather breaks my heart to hear how distorted your view of God is. To know His love is to know His heart breaks for each and every hideous thing that happens to any of His children. When we want to blame God for all the horror I say we all need to look in the mirror. There stands the real person that should be blamed.

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    s phillips

    This might be another pat answer but one that helps me with what we question. Many say when they get to heaven they are going to ask God why. Why did you let things happens as they did. But when we get to heaven instead of asking why we will be saying, "of course". Only then will we be able to understand the greater picture. God hates to see His children abused as much or more then you do. He is not responsible for what man chooses to do to an innocent child so when it happens He can only make the best out of a bad situation. That is where we get all the pat answers from as we try to make sense of it all. Like God had a reason or His ways are higher then our ways. It rather breaks my heart to hear how distorted your view of God is. To know His love is to know His heart breaks for each and every hideous thing that happens to any of His children. When we want to blame God for all the horror I say we all need to look in the mirror. There stands the real person that should be blamed.

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    Holly

    Hello, I'm not sure s phillips if you are replying to me or Jac. I think I miscommunicated. I don't believe those things. I do believe that God is love and that he died for all and that we are never separate from him. But that is not what the church teaches most of the time. That is why I believe christians under such teachings of a bipolar God have mental illness so to speak. They can't stand it if someone would dare to imagine there is no hell. I don't believe there is. But to a mainstream christian that is blasphemy. Mo thinking outside of the "sacred teachings" is allowed I believe because of the tremendous fear and ritual behind the religion. I love the trinity and I know I am never alone cause they are with me. When I went through a difficult time and christians were bashing me in the name of God, he put me at ease and sent me in a new direction. That is how I eventually ended up here. I would never say such things about our heavenly father that Christians do.

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    Jac

    I think you missed my point. God is not constrained by what man chooses to do. Otherwise what is the point of praying for anything that would require him to influence a person's decision (eg for a job where God influences the decision, or safety on the road which is so dependent on what other people decide to do.) So he didn't choose to prevent the child's suffering and death. He could have if he wanted to. My question concerns how you can believe such a thing is for the greater good. Either God is not all powerful or he is not all loving. Also I fail to see how an all loving God can be reconciled with the old testament. I don't need to quote the stories. It seems that some act as if God had a personality makeover after the old testament. My view of God comes from the bible. The more I study the less I understand.

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    Holly

    For me personally, I don't believe God is very hands on as far as things happening on this earth. I believe that we are his ambassadors so to speak in charge of what happens and he is in us and with us but I don't believe that he is doing anything outside of us. Just my opinion. It really irks me when someone is praising God because they had a major accident and didn't die. I always think well what about your neighbors daughter that was hit and killed by a drunk driver -- did he not like her or something. I think people make up things about God that make them feel better when the biggest thing he is -- is our constant companion as we walk through this life. again just my opinion.

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    Jac

    It must have desparately broken gods heart to kill the Egyptian first born including babies and children, to slaughter 70000 people with sickness because David did a head count, including, one would assume, babies and children. The order to the Israelites to kill all their enemies including babies and children must have brought him terrible grief. The killing of babies and children as well as their parents in the flood must have broken his heart. It must have been so gut wrenching to kill David's baby for his parents adultery. God had no choice but to do these things. But wait, he is God and can do what he likes. But he is also all loving but he did lots of unloving things.

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