Feb 03, 2012
Trusting His Heart In Others
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Darin,
You mentioned your ability to totally fall in love with someone, then look in your heart, and speak to them God's heart from yours. The first step of totally falling in love with someone seems like it is worth a podcast discussion. While some aspects of that may not be explainable, probably the choosing to do it, the views you hold that help make it possible, how you actively step over the obstacles, and propel yourself into that engaged love; would help a lot of us.
Thank you
Hi Darin,
I wrote to you the other week telling you that I found it really hard to know/like God as my image of him has became so messed up in church. This podcast was really helpful. Something else that has helped me this week to 'retrain' my thinking is to appreciate the qualities in my friends that I find attractive and to remember that God is all of those great qualities in greater measure. It may sound lame but it is helping. For example my little nephew is always willing to genuinely compliment and encourage people and another friend is always willing to reconcile after a disagreement. When I concentrate on the good points in others, I feel that I can connect to God better and develop a more accurate perception of God. Thank you.
What I hear you guys talking about is the gift of prophesy. Seems like the church has taken something as simple as speaking forth the voice of God and greatly complicated it or made it for only a select few. Seems like it sometimes flows best when we are least aware. There is often a strong prophetic edge to your talks here- that's one reason I like to listen! Yeah, it does bring healing and strength.
Wow, this was timing. I've spent about the last week arguing these same ideas with some folks. I have **totally** freaking had it up to here with Christians trying to excuse not loving one another with "stop trying to get from others what you can only get from God." Some people really do need that 'transition' as you put it. And regardless, we're SUPPOSED to experience God's heart reflected in one another! Jesus made some very important statements to this effect the night he was arrested. When people read good messages and hear good messages but don't SEE that message reflected in the eyes, words and countenance of another human being, it usually just doesn't hit their heart. Instead it remains a nice-sounding concept floating off in the distance somewhere.
So true lionwoman
That was exquisitely,touchingly, beautiful. Thank you for opening the curtain. I believe. I am understanding the love of God more and more. Thank you again.
I have found that what we know as the "traditional" Christian cannot translate the language of someone speaking to them as or from God's heart. It simply doesn't compute. They don't get it. Love and grace is foreign to them, and they don't translate because they have not ever heard God's voice, or His heart.
On the other hand, someone who is desperate to hear from God translates it immediately. That could be the person mentioned above, if they have had enough of trying to work the system and programs and are finally broken and wanting the real God.
I experienced this just today when I gave a speech that I was asked to give about myself. I spoke on how God's love and grace had been the single biggest life changing (for the better) experience in my life. One of the attendees, of whom I later learned is a "leader" in a "Christian" oriented non-profit, completely missed the point of the speech and thought that my speech would be "lost on a person who doesn't have a contextual...
...understanding of Christianity." He also stated that "the love chapter is huge for Christians because of the context of the conversations surrounding it." Apparently non-contextual non-Christians just simply can't or won't get love.
On a positive note, he did say, "nice delivery", and "good use of your hands." LOL
This was a very interesting conversation, and like most you have here, came with its risks of being misunderstood. When you mentioned the potential protests that some Christians might have about "God refusing to share His glory with anyone," something occurred to me. It is true that God can be found saying, in certain contexts, more or less that He won't share it. But I think it's just that: in certain contexts, with a more nuanced meaning than has been assigned to it. Many Christians have adopted this thought in a way that detracts from intimacy with Him, and unwittingly added it to their overall characterization of Him, which, while they would not stop and identify as such, is completely unrelational. Jesus's final words in John 14-17, however, are completely relational, as he talks about nothing but loving one another and the Father sharing His glory with him...and that we are as individuals one with him and therefore one with his Father, so if he shares in his Father's glory...
...then so do we. What Jesus was asking his Father was to be taken back to *be* with Him (and share in the glory he had from the beginning)...completely relational...and totally not shying away from God's glory. And what does Romans 8 say that the creation is eagerly waiting for?... I'll rest my case.
Lastly, Darin mentioned how some would have a hard time separating the sort of abstract, unloving characterization of Yahweh (paraphrasing) from knowing the real heart of God. It was in context with answering the question about is it wrong to picture a person you know instead of God...and it hit me that that is precisely why the Father sent Jesus, to overcome that false abstraction with a human face. It only proves that we don't have to be afraid of letting our personality be the revelation of God to people, that He is woven into us, because when He came, He didn't just come, He came as one of us completely. Himself, yes, but also completely human...
...which is the crux of the message. So, in a sense then, Darin and Robert are making the same case that John was when he identified Christ being God in flesh as central to the faith. A revelation of Him is woven into our personalities. I love it.
Anyway, I didn't mean to take up so much space on the comment wall here, but I've been out of the IC for about 13 years, and only aware of the FBN for one year. Listening to the podcasts has been like having my journey and lessons learned completely affirmed and yet starting them all over again at the same time. These conversations are entirely thought provoking and have been extremely helpful, so keep it up, guys. You all rock.
Rusty, loved your thoughts, thank you for sharing them.